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tomorrow on "outfront," americans spend near lly twice much money on health care as any other country on the planet, but we still lag behind almost all of them on how long we live. industrialized nations trounce us. why our health care system could be doing more harm than good,
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even with all of the changes we put in place. dr. andrew weil is a giant in holistic medicine and he's going to be "outfront" tomorrow. anderson cooper 360 starts right now. >> erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. tonight, the jury has more tough questions for jodi arias. by the sound of them, it's not looking good for the defense. the latest from inside the courtroom, and nancy grace, mark geragos, and jeffrey toobin mix it up. >> also, sonya sote omyer went back to the grade school that made her what she is today that now is being closed down. we'll talk to her about that, but we begin tonight with breaking news. >> some solace, however small, for the family of dianna hanson. a short time ago, a coroner said the 24-year-old woman died quickly after she was attacked by a 350-pound lion and she didn't suffer. she died of a broken neck and other neck injuries the preliminary autopsy shows. she was an intern at the wildcat
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sanctuary where she died. she was working toward a certification that would have classified her for her dream job working at a zoo one day. her family said she loved animals, especially big cats. you're going to hear from them in a moment. this is the animal that attacked her. it was an african male lion named cous cous. he was shot, killed yesterday. he lived at the sanctuary his entire life since he was a cub. when he was 3 months old, he was on the "ellen degeneres show." her father said he was one of dianna's favorite cats at the sanctuary. an investigation is now under way. ted rowlands joins me. i understand you have new information about how she died, ted? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, and why she was in that enclosure. we're getting this from dr. david hadden, the coroner here. he said according to investigators, the victim here, dianna hanson, was in the main enclosure. and it's separated, all of these enclosures are separated into large enclosures and smaller
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pens. according to the coroner, he said investigators say she was in the main enclosure cleaning, thinking that boat lions were tucked away safely in their pens and somehow, cous cous, the male lion, was able to apparently use his paw to open up the gates of the pen because it was either unlatched or was -- he was able to open it, and that is why he got out, and that is why she was in a position to be attacked. so it wasn't a situation where she went into an area that was potentially dangerous. what she went into, according to the coroner, was an area she thought was absolutely safe. she was cleaning this cage. he says, according to investigators, and this lion was able to escape somehow from his smaller enclosure. >> so horrific. you were given access to the lion enclosure where the attack took place. what struck you about it? >> reporter: well, a few things, anderson. first of all, the property here is very expansive and the area between lions and cats here is
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extensive as well. cous cous shared his enclosure with a female lion, a 10-year-old, for the last three years, by the name of pele. she was there during the attack, presumably in her den while the attack was happening. and the larger enclosure. she was there today, and she was making almost a barking noise, and according to the handlers up here, this is a noise she does not normally make and was making it because of the stress she felt of yesterday and not having her friend, i guess, for lack of a better term, cous cous no longer there. >> wow, ted, i appreciate the update. that's new information about her death. dianna hanson's lifelong dream, as we said, was destroyed by the very creature she was devoted to protecting. her family says it had been her goal since she was a child to work with big cats. her internship at the cat haven was a step toward realizing her dream. paul hanson, and paul hanson jr., dianndianna's father and
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brother, join me now. my condolences to you and your family. i can't imagine what the last 24 hours have been like for you. how are you holding up? >> well, i think that i'm still in shock right now. but i think it's good going to the media and telling dianna's story has really helped me. >> paul, tell me what you want people to know about your daughter. >> what i want to know about her? first off, jui just got a repor from the coroner's office that the mauling reports in the media yesterday and earlier today were not true. there was no mauling by the lion. it was more likely a quick suffocation and neck fracture. there was no blood, and they think it was a quick death, a followed by some injuries by the lion probably just playing too hard. and also, she was so happy. her last two months there as an internship at cat haven were the happiest of her life.
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her mother and i agree we had never seen her happier since the two months she got there. >> i heard since she was 7 years old, she loved big cats. >> yes, about 7 years old, she just developed a fixation on tigers, especially tigers. and big cats in general. she used to tell everybody she was going to grow up and study siberian snow tigers in siberia. and then when she got older, in elementary school, every time we would go and see the parent/teacher conference, they would say, you know, she's a great artist. she's got some talent, but she draws the same subject over and over again, tigers. then when she went to college, she was a ski instructor for her part-time job on the weekends up at western washington university in bellingham. and one day, she had a little boy sitting next to her in the ski lift chair when it was temporarily stopped and she made conversation with him and asked his favorite animal, and he said, tigers like my
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grandparents had. she tracked them down and they had three tigers and a lion just outside of city limits, and she volunteered to help and take care of them. they were so impressed with her, they trained her and would leave her there for weeks with these animals. she would go into the cages and take care of them and feed them and maintain them. she would go inside the cages and invite us to come up and see them. then we would see her and she would go in the cages. that always got me, her in the cage. that always scared me. i always had a bad premonition that some day those animals could turn on her, but she was absolutely fearless. she was no more afraid of the lions and tigers than of a house cat. just totally fearless and totally competent working with them. >> paul, what do you think it was about the big cats that she loved from such a young age? >> i think there was just this sense of awe and a sense of absolute power and beauty and mystery that are associated with them. and how her passion for that continued to evolve as she got
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older. and really dedicated herself, you know, her passion for these animal animals then transcending into work that could be done to save them and make sure we can still have wildlife in wild areas. >> paul, i understand you said that your daughter told you she wasn't allowed in the lion cage. have you been given any information as to what happened yesterday or why she was in there yesterday? >> no, not yet. i just know she gave me a tour of the place on january 3rd after we drove down from seattle. she and i drove down together. that was the last time i saw her. and she gave me a tour of the place before i flew back to seattle. and when she gave me the guided tour path that you take when you go through all of the animal cages and enclosures there. when we go by the lion and tiger cage, she said these are the only cages we're not allowed to go in, the lion cage and the
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tiger cage. she was disappointed because she had done that for so long in bellingham. she said only the owner is allowed to go in the cage. i was so shocked when i heard she was killed by the lion inside the lion cage because i couldn't figure out why she was in there. >> did he ever talk about this lion in particular, cous cous? >> yeah, she -- she absolutely adored cous cous and all of the animals that were there. you know, it was a lion that has been with the facility that they had had for many years. had even taken it on tv. so she spoke very highly of that lion. >> paul, does this change the way you view these animals? >> no. not at all. in fact, it makes me view them with more love and interest than ever before because i will always think of her now whenever i see a lion or a tiger or a big
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cat, because these were the loves of her life. and i will think of her every single time now i see one of those. and how much she would have enjoyed being there and working with them. no, it doesn't change anything. >> listen, i appreciate boat of you taking the time to let everybody get to know her better. and to get to know her passions and what she loved. and died doing what she loved. paul, thank you, and paul ryan, i wish you peace and strength in the days ahead. >> thank you. >> thanks for letting us tell her story to you. >> fatal attacks like this aren't common, but they happen. 25 people have been killed by big cats in the last five years. jack hanna joins me now. as we heard ted rowlands report, this animal got into an area that was supposed to be secure. i just want to show our viewers the large enclosure where dianna was and the smaller one where
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cous cous was. what do you make of this? could have the lion actually have opened the gate to get to her? >> well, anderson, they're very powerful animals. if the lock had been left off or a chain off it, he could have pushed the latch up and got in there obviously. watching it, it bridges back so many memories. it really is hard to watch that because i think i have told you before that we had a little 3-year-old boy back in 1972 that one of my lions took his arm off, and it was beyond horrific picking it up and taking it there being put back on the boy at the shoulder. the point is, and i appreciate what the father is saying. i can't describe what i'm feeling. it has been that way the last 48 hours. again, i understand what he's saying, the love and what his daughter did, but the word fearless is difficult to use because i have filmed these animals in the wild, a lion taking down a 2,000 pound buffalo in a second. you have seen this yourself. you go to africa quite a bit, and it's like, bam. and the word that i think i wish
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i had known this young girl. she seems incredible. i would have loved to have had her at the zoo, but the word respect is what we all have to use. you have to respect they're wild animals. the word fearless is difficult to use because if you're fearless, there's no fear there, but the respect you have to have for the animal, call it fear, call it what you want to, but that's what i wish had happened. this was an accident. she couldn't have that. i don't know what happened, but now that i know it's an accident, i can at least understand now what happened. >> even an animal that has been raised by humans from the time it was a cub as this animal was, wement on the "ellen degeneres" show when it was a cub, they're hardwired. this is a lion, this is what they do. they're hardwired to react. >> right. i have had young lions on shows. we still work with our cheetah, by the way. we continue to work with our cheetah. a cheetah is a different type of cat. we have two people on an animal. in our zoo, there's a certain
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code we have to live by. this is, by the way, a good sanctuary from what i heard from a lot of people. an animal is six to eight months old, not anyone enters the facility. if the animal has to be looked at, a veterinarian looks at it. they're fed through different chutes and that type of thing. for the standards in our park, we goenlt go in there with large cats. some of the sanctuaries do go in there to teach people about the animal, but you see what happened when the 3-year-old boy who was my friend put his arm through. i wasn't even there. how they got across, i don't know. it happened. it was my fault, obviously, but the lion was so powerful, it pulled the arm off the shoulder without even an indentation in the skin of the little boy. that's the power these animals have. i can't describe what my fears are for the sanctuary and the parents -- i understand what the man says. every time i see a lion or tiger, i'll think of this girl. >> it gives paul her father some
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comfort that she wasn't in pain. the coroner said the death was quick. she died of a broken neck and other neck injuries. i guess that sort of surprised me. i would have thought there would have been -- i didn't realize that's how lions attack. >> yeah, that's the basic way they do it in the wild. that's what they -- they'll start at the back end, they chase, that kind of chase, but the first thing they catch, especially tigers and lions, that's the name of the game, because that's what happens. at least i know now what happened. she had such a love, such a passion for big cats. maybe she thought she could go in there. now that i know it's an accident, accidents happen. they will happen maybe again in a zoological park some day. that's what we deal with. tens of millions of people go there. the african lion since 1978, we lost 60% of them from africa. they were like rabbits when we went there. today, we have lost 60% of the lions. we're going to have them for people to understand them, love them, and hopefully save them.
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>> jack hanna, i appreciate you being on. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. thanks for being with us. let me know what you think of all this. >> coming up next, my exclusive interview with sonya sotomayor at the grade school that she says gave her a great start in life but won't be around for children like her. >> heart breaking. i can't even tell you. it's like closing not just a chapter in my life, but slamming the door on an entire history. not just my history, but the countless students who have walked through these hamms. >> we'll tell you why the school is closing. >> later, was this a happy couple, or was jodi arias, as she claims, a virtual captive. friends opalexander casting doubts on her views. act wool exs from new zealand, textile production in spain,
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to set a date for the process of the conclave to begin. back home, there is anger over the shutting down of parochial schools. in new york alone, they're shutting down two dozen schools including the blessed sacrament school in the bronx. in its time which is now running out, that one school changed a lot of lives, including the life of one neighborhood girl who grew up to be a supreme court justice, justice sonya soia sotr who went back with me today. u.s. supreme court justice sonya soto meyer came back because she wanted to highlight the importance of catholic schools in her life and the lives of kids growing up as she did. would you have been able to become the person you are, in the position you are without this school? >> doubtful. would my brother and i have been able to resist the war of drugs in the surrounding schools? who knows. >> like many of the kids here
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now, she grew up poor, puerto rican, from the projts. >> your mom worked hard to send you here? >> me mom worked six days a week most of her adult life to be able to afford to come here. if it hadn't been for the generosity of the church, we would not have been able to afford this. i think back then, they would have never thought of kicking either my brother or i out. >> this is the worst. >> but times have changed for the church, and blessed sacrament is closing, one of 24 new york parochial schools to be shut this year, despite puri parishioners and parents' fight to save them. >> they say we don't have the money. >> i find it ironic from a church that has so much money, frankly. i look at the pope flying away in a helicopter to his seaside, you know, castle. i think one of the core missions of the church is to help the poor, to assist the needy. and to walk away from these kids and others, they have put money
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ahead of educating our children, which i think is a fundamental core tenet of the church. >> i loved my years hi s here. >> as a supreme court justice, she won't go so far as some parishioners, but she's sad to see the school shutting its doors. >> is your being here a protest in any way, a statement? >> no, i can't protest anymore, don't you know that? no, but it's a return to a place of importance to me. and a moment to share with kids who i know are suffering. >> in a classroom of kids, the suffering was clear. amidst their tears, she urged the kids to speak up, even as she defended the church's good intentions. >> you know something, sweetie, i'm so glad that all of you took part in trying to save your school. because you can't really sit back and let people do things to you. you have to get up and tell people what's important. >> the children and their parents did protest.
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they posted youtube videos and raised money. sotomayor herself was a donor, but it wasn't enough. >> why haven't people looked at the videos we made? >> because sometimes they don't know about them. >> they just think that it's just a bunch of kids who are trying to save a regular school? >> i think they think that it's -- will be easy for you to get over. they don't understand that it's going to hurt you for a long, long time. >> school officials said they do understand the hurt but have no other choice. >> they were not schools that were failing. not when you looked at test scores, graduate rates, attendance. they were safe harbor for children and the families were very happy. it was an economic decision. >> soto meyer still hopes this school will be saved, but she knows that's unlikely. nationwide, 2,000 catholic schools have closed in the past two years. >> it's a breeding ground for
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leaders. what's going to happen to that feeder system? that's what i'm most worried about. catholic schools traditionally have been the pathway out of poverty for generations of kids. >> and you were know with all dish closure that could change? >> i know it can change. don't worry it might change. it will change. >> she says she hopes to go back to the school at least one more time before it finally shuts its doors for good. as always, for more on this and other stories, go to our website cnn.com. just ahead, rand paul's epic filibuster over the use of killer drones against americans. we'll tell you how the talk athon ended and what the white house said to answer his life or death question. also, a top lieutenant, his son-in-law is in new york city tonight. how he was caught and what happens next to him, when we continue. ♪ featuring a stunning work of technology -- ♪ the lexus es. ♪
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welcome back. in raw politics tonight, the senate has confirmed john brennan as the new director of the cia. 63-34, but the drama leading up to it, that was pretty epic. senator rand paul led a nearly 13-hour fillibuster on the senae floor, holding the floor hostage until he got an answer to this questions about drone attacks. >> i cannot sit at my desk quietly and let the president say that he will kill americans on american soil who are not actively attacking a country. >> senator pal wanted to know if president obama had the ability to carry out targeted killings on americans on american soil. eric holder didn't rule out the possibility of that kind of attack. in a letter today, he clarified his response. dana bash was the first to get senator paul's reaction. >> it's literally three sentences long and he says that
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the answer to your question about can americans be killed on u.s. soil, and the answer is no. are you satisfied? >> i'm quite happy with the answer, and i'm disappointed it took a month and a half and a root canal to get it, but we did get the answer, and that's what i have been asking all along. it really is what the senate should be about. >> just to be clear, you're announcing right here on cnn that you are going to let john brennan's nomination now go through? maybe they could even hold a vote today? >> yes, we'll hold it as soon as people want to now. >> the senate voted hours ago to confirm brennan. dana bash joins me now. it's interesting. today, there are senate democrats who are happy with senator paul and quite a few republican colleagues who aren't. >> absolutely. this absolutely does expose a divide in the republican party when it comes to the so-called war on terror. the divide does seem to be getting a bit deeper, and senator paul, the fact he was out there and he got support from some more, i would say, hawkish or mainstream
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republicans, did infuriate people like john mccain and lindsay graham who said, excuse me, why are we making this big deal questioning that we think the president is doing right, which is using drones to get terror suspects? but it really does also show that there's some republicans who are up for re-election next year who are very concerned about getting on the wrong side of people in the conservative base, and many of them are civil libb libertari libertarians. it also exposed how tricky republican politics are right now. >> it's interesting because you don't see these old-fashioned filibusters where people stand and talk. one of the reasons is it's not easy. i want to play something about how senator paul felt there. >> voice is recovering, and i think i lost a few pounds, so there's some advantages to not eating all day, although i was sneaking candy bars -- >> we saw. >> there's a candy drawer. you can sneak around and get a candy bar. but i see they caught me with
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half the candy bar in and half out of my mouth. my wife said, can't you chew with your mouth closed on the floor? >> what did he think of the experience? he seems kind of energized by it. >> he's definitely energized by it. i talked to him before he realized, anderson, this had blown up on twitter the way it had because he was so focused on what he was doing on the senate floor, then he went to bed at 2:00 in the morning, high didn't get caught up on it. he talked about, in fact, he said on the floor, one of the reasons he didn't keep going, he stopped after midnight, is because nature called. he had that glass of water which was basically his only sustenance, but hie was trying not to drink it. he also said he was so surprised himself that he got the time on the senate floor to wage this filibuster that he wore the wrong shoes. i mean, things that i gesdz you need to think about when you're a senator going to stand around on a marble floor for 12 hours. so it really does remind you
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that this is something that is old fashioned, but it is something that takes a lot of endurance. >> sure does. dana bash, appreciate it. thanks. >> thank you. >> let's get caught up on some of the other stories we're following. susan hendricks has the 360 bulletin. >> osama bin laden's son-in-law who has served as an al qaeda spokesman is in custody tonight in new york. white house and federal law enforcement officials say he was captured in jordan this week and will appear in court tomorrow. a sealed indictment lays out the charges against him. a major reversal by former president bill clinton in an op-ed published tonight by the washington post, he urges the supreme court to overturn the defense of marriage act which he signed into law 17 years ago. he writes that he now believes the law is diskrcriminatorydisc. >> and a 59-year-old man who spent 22 months in solitary confinement in a new mexico county jail has settled his lawsuit for $15.5 million. you see him on the left. that's him after his arrest on a
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crime in punishment now. a blockbuster day of juror questions in the jodi arias trial, and possible signs that the jury is simply not buying her story. her third version of events, that she killed her boyfriend in self defense. killed him, you'll remember, just two minutes after
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photographing him right here, taking that picture in the shower. alexander appeared relaxed, not looking like the rage filled monster arias said she had no choice but to kill. our legal panel agrees on this. any sympathy the jurors might have had for the defendant seem all but gone. as randi kaye reports, you could hear it in their questions today. >> reporter: good she hadn't been caught in a web of lies, would jodi arias ever have come clean about killing travis alexander? jurors wanted to know. >> would you decide to tell the truth if you ever got arrested? >> i honestly don't know the answer to that question. >> reporter: why, they ask, did it take her so long to tell the truth. it wasn't until two years after the killing that she claimed self defense. first, she said she wasn't there. then changed her story to two masked intruders. all her lying seems to have hit a nerve with the jury. >> after all of the lies you
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have told, why should we believe you now? >> lying isn't typically something i just do. but the lies that i have told in this case are -- can be tied directly back to either protecting travis' reputation. >> reporter: and what about arias' experience with guns. >> never fired a gun, but i was relative lee familiar with them. >> reporter: and even if she wasn't sure she had shot alexander as she says, why not call 911 for help in case? >> when i sort of came out of the fog, i realized, oh, crap. something bad had happened. and i was scared to call any authority at that point. >> reporter: right after she killed alexander, arias drove to utah to visit another guy. the jury wanted to know how she could kiss another man just hours after shooting and stabbing her ex-boyfriend to death. she explained she had no choice. she had to show up to avoid
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suspicion, and like every other day in court, the testimony eventually turned to the couple's sex life. the jury has listened to recordings of their phone sex, read their dirty text messages, even looked at naked pictures they took the day of the killing, but they wanted to know more. if he had abused arias in the past, as she claims, why did she go along with alexander's sexual fantasies? >> if you were scared of what travis was capable of doing, why would you ever let him tie you up? >> when that occurred, he was in a very good mood, and again, they were -- they were loose enough to wiggle out of. so i wasn't like stuck there. >> reporter: and on the day she killed him -- >> was travis tied up at any point on june 4, 2008? >> no. >> reporter: there were also more questions about arias' memory lapses. >> you remember dropping the knife and screaming, but you don't remember taking the gun or rope with you? >> it goes blank after that.
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i don't remember putting the gun in the car. i don't remember putting the rope in the car. >> how can you say that you don't have memory issues when you can't remember how you stabbed him so many times and slashed his throat? >> well, i think that i have a good memory. and june 4th is an anomaly for me. i don't think i have memory issues that are any different from another average person. >> reporter: one thing arias may never forget are these pictures of travis alexander dead. >> would you agree that you came away from the june 4 incident rather unscathed while travis suffered a gunshot and multiple stab wounds? you only had a bump on your head or bruise on your head. cuts or scrapes on your ankles and a possible shoulder injury? >> as far as making comparison of physical injuries, him versus mine, yes, i would have to say
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that's a relatively accurate assessment. >> randi joins us now. after the jury questions, her defense lawyer had more questions for her. some focused on another woman in travis alexander's life. what did we learn ability that? >> anderson, arias' lawyer asked about this woman that alexander was planning to take to cancun on vacation, and she testified that alexander showed her a picture of this woman and told her that god was sending him a message, that god wanted this woman to be his future wife. arias also pointed out that they were still having sex and alexander was trying to get her into a threesome at the time. what is key is arias testified she wasn't jealous of this woman at all. she said she didn't even want to be mrs. travis alexander anymore, but remember, it speaks to motive because the prosecutor has painted her as a jealous stalker who killed alexander because he wasn't taking her to cancun. he was taking this other woman. >> thank you very much. joining us, our legal panel,
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nancy grace from hln, senior analyst jeffrey toobin, and mark geragos, coauthor of "mistrial, how the criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't." nancy, last night, you said the questions were not largely in jodi arias' favor. how do you feel today? >> i feel that the tide is really turning, anderson, against jodi arias because one of their big questions, and i wrote it down for you, anderson, verbatim. it says after all the lies you have told, why should we believe you now? and i think that is an incredible question and an incredible insight that you rarely get with a jury. i mean, when i practiced law for all those years, i had one particular judge that would allow the jury to ask questions. generally, you don't know what they're thinking, but that is a bombshell question, anderson. >> mark, what did you think of today? >> it's devolved into kind of a circus of the absurd. i understand that that's from a
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defense standpoint, those are never good questions, but at the same time, there's 250. you don't know, is that one person who has written 100 or is that the whole ning? remember, when nancy says the tide is turning, it wasn't exactly like this was a slam dunk for the defense to start off with. this is somebody who is self admitted, i have done nothing but lie, i stabbed him 29 times and put a gun to his head. so it was an uphill battle to begin with. >> what i don't understand is what the defense is trying to do because now we're in recross. and he's asking her questions that are sort of like lower-level oprah, like ricki lake level questions. like, were you in love? was it unconditional love? what about your relationship with this guy? >> i take issue with that. >> what the point. why does it help the defense in any way? >> the point is credibility. and while you're all sitting around tables with your ph.d.s, these are regular working people, and it matters to them if she's lied to every man she's been with.
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if she left him rotting -- >> did you get a ph.d.? >> and jumped on top of another man within 24 hours. it may not mean anything to you too with your jds -- >> jd. that's appropriate. >> but why does it help the defense? >> i happen to have an additional degree maybe you don't have. >> i don't know if you heard jeff. he was asking why the defense was doing it? >> i did hear him. i did hear him. >> then you question becomes completely inexplicable. >> yes, i hear it. no, what i mean is the defense is trying their best to clear up these questions from the jury. and his questions, the defense positive question, and just for your information, the prosecution has commenced. it's not the defense anymore, mark, but their questions are trying to clarify what the jury has asked. >> i know it's the prosecution. i know that he's trying to clarify. at a certain point -- >> because i told you. >> sit down because enough is enough. >> more than 200 questions.
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do you feel like -- i mean, the sheer number of questions is kind of staggering. >> yeah, it is staggering. it's one of the things i think shows the absurdity of letting this become an interactive facebook or tweeting kind of a trial. that's what it's become. >> i draw exactly the opposite conclusion, which shows this jury is paying attention, they're asking relevant questions. they're exploring the key issues in the case, and that's what we want in jurors. >> when does this become in the coliseum with the thumbs up or the thumbs down? at a certain point, you just let the 12 impartial fact finders start to try this case with hundreds of questions? look, if you're the defense lawyer, you love it. if you're the prosecution, you love it. if you're somebody who is looking at the criminal justice system, doesn't this give you some sort of pause that this becomes kind of an interactive, internet feeding frenzy. >> you mean, in other words, you don't want a genuine, a
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legitimate search for the truth? it's irritating you that the jury is asking these questions. as i was trying to say, i agree with toobin on this. because even though the questions may not make sense to us four, sometimes we may wonder, why are they asking that? they have their reasons. they are the ultimate fact finder, not mark geragos. >> they keep asking about her memory. cle clearly, they want to know more about what she actually remembers, because you know, they came up with these questions about, well, you say you have a fine memory most of the time, but surrounding nthis event, there's this fog. >> you're right, anderson -- >> let me just play two of those questions regarding her memory and get your reaction. >> how is it possible you remember such details from those days if you had a foggy memory? >> the fog or the confusion only begins when he starts screaming or if there's a fear that maybe there's going to be tension or
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some kind of escalation or anger or violence. and then certain incidents such as the physical pain is crystallized in my mind. so that sticks. >> is there anyone else who knows about your memory issues? >> um, well, i mean, again, i think i have a really excellent memory. [ inaudible ] >> answer the question as stated. >> it's hard because i don't think i have memory issues. >> all right, then that's your answer. >> nancy, what do you make of that? she says she has no memory issues buzz she didn't remember stabbing this man. >> her version is she dropped this camera as she was taking sexy pictures of him in the shower. he became enraged and he took off running on her heels. she went into his closet,
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reached back and found a 25 caliber weapon that nobody else knew about. he says also that he had a holster for it, but when police searched, they found no ammunition, no weapon, no holster, nothing. i mean, her story doesn't hold together. and they're testing her memory on that. and suddenly, she can't recall any of the critical facts around the time of the murder. >> the only problem with that is that they're going to explain all of that when they the defense calls the next witness. they're going to have somebody just like prosecutors do all the time who is going to come up and say that this is standard operating procedure with a battered woman. that their memory can be great, book ended around the incident itself, and that they go into some sort of trauma. that is how they're going to explain it. that is what the jury is going to be told. >> one reason we have a jury system -- >> you're right. >> the jury system can apply common sense. if you have a memory problem that is purely convenient, that you don't remember stuff that is
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bad for you but you remember stuff that's good for you legally -- >> and you never told anybody about your memory problem. >> you can call all the experts you want. >> the expert will get up there. i have had more than a couple trials where the expert will get up and i had it where the prosecution will call because there's been cross-examination on somebody, why do you remember this now? why didn't you tell anybody? and they're going to say, that is perfectly logical and rational for a psychiatric standpoint if you're suffering from battered woman's syndrome. >> we'll leave it there. nancy grace, mark geragos, jeff toobin, thank you all. quite a conversation. >> coming up, the ridiculist, find out who's on it tonight. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work.
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight, we have another laughing news anchor story. we can't get enough of these. in oklahoma, a woman was booked on drug charges. it turns out she was carrying a gun and bags of meth on her person, more like inside her person. we'll let wgn and chicago take the story from there. >> it was a five-shot revolver. it was loaded. and as she turned it around, she saw more plastic baggies, larger plastic baggies wedged in the crack of her buttocks. >> what? >> the caboose pistol. everybody has one.
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what are you getting all worked up over? >> did you just say -- did you just say caboose pistol. >> i know someone who could hide a machine gun in there. >> you take it. >> big story. daylight savings time. >> oh, yeah. also daylight savings time is coming. you have to spring forward to the next story. news anchors have to be prepared for anything. sometimes it's a very concealed weapon. and as we showed you the other night, sometimes it's a cat trying to lose weight. >> polly is a 13-year-old cat who likes the outdoors and other physical activities. but with encouragement from her owner and weekly visits to the pet resort, she's managed to lose one pound in six months. stay with us, everybody. we've got a lot more to come. >> and sometimes it's a comedian telling you about the time her dog got stoned. >> like the time doug got into a bag of pot brownies. >> then the doctor just started laughing and he's like, oh, my
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god, this dog is tripping. i swear to god, this is what he looked like. and um -- look what happened there. >> then there are times when the subject matter, you know, just roll it. >> the next time you pass gas, make sure no police are around. a man in west virginia faced assault charges after police say he passed gas near the officer. he was arrested for dui, according to police. i can't even get through this. >> they said it was, quote, very odorous and created -- and created contact of an insulting or provoking nature. see, that wasn't even right. to put that story in there was
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